Re: [freenet-dev] More stable node location

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Author: Matthew Toseland
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To: Oskar Sandberg
CC: devl, Ian Clarke
Subject: Re: [freenet-dev] More stable node location
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In other words, what we have to do to build a large darknet is provide
IM and filesharing functionality, as Michael Rogers said. Local sharing
of indexes and possibly of whole files, local sharing of bookmarks and
blogs, local chat, etc.

If we provide strong incentives for people to add darknet peers, then we
can quite safely implement an opennet as well.

Do you agree?

On Fri, Jun 30, 2006 at 01:47:01PM +0200, Oskar Sandberg wrote:
> Ian Clarke wrote:
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> >I don't think we necessarily have to prevent location swapping on
> >opennet nodes, the destination sampling approach seems pretty robust,
> >and as the network stabilizes, the number of location swaps should
> >decrease.
>
> I don't think this matters either. A much bigger concern is that the
> network could end up largely split into two - very few "open" nodes
> talking to dark ones, and vice versa. For it to work, people who are
> open would also have to want to authenticate people who don't directly.
>
> A problem, in general, with this whole thing is that the incentives for
> connecting to people are too small. It is hard to convince people that
> they ought to go through the trouble of adding more then a neighbor or
> two, if the only reason is that it is healthy for the network (when they
> may not notice much difference themselves).
>
> When I first envisioned an applications of this type of Darknet, I
> thought of it much more in the context of a IM/file sharing application
> then Freenet. In such a system, people would have have motivation to add
> "buddies" (presense, being able to surf their share directly, etc) which
> they don't in Freenet...
>
> // oskar
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